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Firefox = Foxy Cash Cow
i've been hearing rumors that firefox (from mozilla.org) is making over $30m annually off of its deal for the google search box. just saw they passed 64m downloads too. that would mean they're making $0.50 annually for every download, but actually if you lose 50% of the downloads to apathy, bugs and ignorance (hmm...the ABI dilution effect), that would imply more like $1.00 per user which is pretty amazing. it's kind of fitting that one of the few startups in silicon valley to immediately go cash positive is a non-profit; and continues to support my hypothesis that all startups are non-profits except google:)
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M, geat post.
your exclusive dish on the Google/Firefox financial transaction/browser relationship benefits your readers greatly...hmm...showing us that Google is funding/enabling Firefox, an IE competitor, may suggest some truth to what BillG has been publicly lamenting - Google's larger (OS) ambitions...WOW!!
mark we enjoy leveraging your access to facts that might take months or years to become available. post like these help everyone (from VC to the job-hunting rank-and-file) better understand a world unpredictable & frenetically veering ...
hangin on - and learning
Posted by: billy bee | Jun 1, 2005 4:56:27 AM
dude, I had no idea FF was raking in that kind of dough.
keep the 'insider' posts coming. we here outside of the Valley get none if this great info =)
Posted by: Shanti | Jun 2, 2005 2:11:03 AM
$30 million/year seems incredible from the perspective of a a small software-development nonprofit building a web reference into its work.
But when you think of the popularity of Firefox, it's plausible.
I imagine all the details will eventually come out in the Mozilla Foundation's 501(c)3 filings.
They'll have to spend that money on further not-for-profit program activities... that revenue flow could become a giant engine of free/open-source software development...
Posted by: Gordon Mohr | Jun 5, 2005 7:04:34 PM
Not sure about numbers, and I'm no valley insider (still haven't made the trip yet) but here's how I heard the money flows:
Someone searches using the Google search bar in the Firefox browser. If they happen to click on an AdSense ad after that search, Google gives the Mozilla foundation a part of the revenue for that ad click.
Just more rumors for the mill :-)
Posted by: Will Pate | Jun 6, 2005 10:12:54 PM
So, does Apple get $$$ when people search through Safari?
Posted by: John Leyba | Jun 8, 2005 11:32:26 AM
Guidestar.org has the Form 990s for most 501c organizations available for free. However, Mozilla's most recent is for 2003. If you really want to know the numbers, visit the office and ask for them. By law, they have to provide them to you. If you don't want to drive over there, send them a letter with a SASE and they have to send you a copy. Assuming they've been filed with the IRS that is.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward | Jun 8, 2005 4:02:16 PM
I have heard that apple is making mookoo dineros from their african safari. However, I am still attempting to quantify this unearthing. Either way you look at it, goog's and fireboy are a marriage made in heaven and eventually, goog's will buy time warner or something drastic like that. Making a buck never has been hard for them!
Posted by: cash loan guy | Aug 21, 2005 1:36:47 PM
This is a very interesting post, however rounding the download figures down by half may not be very useful.
In my household we have up to four machines with Firefox on, none of them register in the Firefox download statistics because I am a Gentoo user, and Gentoo users download all programs from one of the several dozen Gentoo mirrors.
Debian users likewise have their own software mirrors. Other non-Windows distributions have their own way of handing out software. Most pre-packaged GNU/Linux/BSD CDs have Firefox bundled in too.
Also many Windows that I know got Firefox from computing magazine CDs, which also are not counted.
At my work we have one disk image that is placed on all the PCs, this also is not counted.
The only reliable method is if you can get hold of traffic statistics of a few major websites. This of course will vary, Gentoo.org may show much higher use of Firefox than say Microsoft.com.
Posted by: Zeth | Sep 24, 2005 6:06:52 AM
Does this mean that Flock browser is making $$$ off yahoo...or plans too...because thier default search engine is yahoo...hmmm
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Posted by: Mauris | Nov 16, 2005 5:42:45 PM
The Power of the blog rears it's head once again ...
Our man Mark Pincus here posts a 100 word little message which starts with the words "i've been hearing rumors ..." and that's all it takes for the word to spread and people to talk like it's the truth.
Where's the proof Mr.Pincus?
I could say "I have been hearing rumours that Firefox is making ... $3 million ... annually off of its deal for the google search box."
Possible too.
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I don't mind if they earn all money on this world as long as Firefox is free!
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What Firefox is getting money from google for ? Just to keep the toll bar or inserting some sort of spyware ?
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