essembly.com - a political social network
i've been playing with essembly for the past day. it's the coolest political web site i've seen (because it's about interacting over informing) but it stops short of enabling the kind of grass roots organizing i've been hoping and searching for. [if you want to try it, email me and i'll invite you on.]
it seems like the founders are trying to keep it stealth for now as they have not responded to several emails from me (or they just dont want to talk to me.)
what's cool about it is the simple way it lets users create their own 'resolves' - kind of your own little survey or policy proposal that goes out to everyone to vote on. it's fun to watch the action in votes and comments.
also cool but not used yet are the groups functions which enable candidates, coalitions and issue campaigns to organize, set their platforms and recruit.
where it falls short for me...first, it appears to be for profit which is fine, but may drive the wrong incentives. which leads to my second issue, we lack any leadership on any front. everyone is so neutral that nothing changes. we need a web movement to reform the system (i've blogged about my hopes to create an eparty). a neutral site will devolve into a message board where people are forever fragmented.
what we need is a site that can help facilitate organization and collective voice. it should gently point out our similarities on many issues rather than essembly's simplistic (but fun) approach of showing your % correlation with another person on issues. while that's cute, i'm looking for a site that can promote my overlaps with seemingly disparate people and groups so we can form NEW coalitions that can replace the current power base.
overall, i'm psyched that these kids created essembly and see it as a big step in the right direction of 'radical democracy' and hope that they/we can take it further towards enabling real action and not just real interaction.
January 31, 2006 in community, revolution of the ants, social media, social software, the movement, web 2.0 | Permalink
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'help the community' vs. 'help myself' - how to motivate peer production?
fred wilson writes about amazon's new HITs service which allows companies to pay people to provide useful data and content...it brings up the interesting question of which incentive a community driven service is appealing to 'help the communty' or 'help myself'.
According to Amazon, a HIT is a Human Intelligent Task, ie something that humans do better than computers. Like identifying photos or filling out captchas.
Amazon has built a service called Mechanical Turk, or mturk.com, that is like eBay for HITs.
If you need a human to do something, you send a HIT request (via the mturk API) to Amazon.
The HIT is displayed to the masses, who then complete them, and get paid for doing so.
This is an attempt to automate peer production and add a payment system on top of it.
i'm very skeptical even though it's so cool to see. as fred points out, community contributed content relies on personal incentives to drive good results. in some cases, this is entirely self interest, and that usually works best - ebay and craigslist. in a few cases there seems to be a more 'help the community' ethos which can work like delicious.
at tribe, we launched a 'pay it forward' program a year ago. the idea, which i was really excited about, was that a lister could name a bounty to be paid to anyone who helped them get a transaction done. we experimented with jobs which already have examples of bounties. at the time, i hoped there could one day be a marketplace with attention driven by individuals forwarding listings to friends they knew were in the market for an apartment, job or car.
our experiment failed. we found that the number of forwards went up by 4x but the number of job applications did not. many tribe users told me they would forward a job to a friend whenever they saw one that might fit to help them out and that a bounty would not make them think of new friends or more likely to send to an existing one. in other words, they said this is something they do out of
'help the community' and not 'help myself'.
my belief is that there is little to no crossover. i have also learned how hard it is to change consumer behavior. if you're trying to build a peer produced system seems that you have to leverage existing behaviors driven by one of these two incentives and never bet on them changing. amazon's new services will only work if they can tap into people's 'help myself' incentive and i seriously doubt the dollar incentive will ever work. jobs was the highest bounty incentive we could find at as much as $5k and it failed.
i know there are also a number of startups pursuing this type of system specifically in jobs. i doubt this approach will work but will watch with great interest. maybe it's a good idea that was poorly implemented by me, which would not be the first or last time that happened!
November 6, 2005 in community, social media, social software, web 2.0 | Permalink
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Connecting to 'Greek Tragedy' story
just realizing there's a really easy way for people to build their blog traffic fast. just blog about anything that is most popular on technorati. today it will obviously be stephanie klein, the vivacious girl of greek tragedy fame. wonder if she is technorati'ing herself too...? hmm, stephanie, if you're reading this, i have a few great guys to set you up with in nyc. email me.
July 25, 2005 in social media, social software | Permalink
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News Corp Buys Myspace for $580M
bambi reports that news corp bought intermix, the parent of myspace, for $580m today. i have to admit that i passed on buying intermix stock a while ago at $6 because i thought that the overall valuation was too high for just the myspace asset. given the reported revenue numbers for myspace of around $9m, this had to be a highly strategic acquisition. i had thought recently that someone like viacom might be myspace or the facebook to add to their mtv properties as these sites are starting to aggregate such large young audiences. this looks like a nice fast exit for redpoint which i believe funded myspace a year ago at a $50m valuation. not sure how this worked out for them but guessing they made at least 5x, which would probably be about $50m on $10m.
July 18, 2005 in social media, social software, venture capital | Permalink
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Resposting My PeopleWeb Post
The PeopleWebi believe we are close to the point where people will start to be organized online into a 'peopleweb' where browsers will surf and search through people not pages. i will attempt to describe the what, how and why below.
what is the peopleweb? as more people take on 'open' identities online, that can be crawled, found and linked to with bits of semantically organized data like 'profile', 'about me' or 'my tribes or groups', there will soon be an ability for search engines to organize people into relevant groupings. the key relevance here will be based on two intersections; people's group affiliations so that i can quickly find experts in flying bonanzas in baja and people's credibility which may be estimated in a number of ways from how 'linked' you are to who you're linked to to slashdot type ratings if they evolve to work in an independent fashion.
how will the peopleweb happen? along with my vision of the revolution of the ants, the big portals will all succumb to their audience's desire for openness and transportability of online identities. people will no longer choose to invest in a profile that is locked into msn or friendster (or tribe). just like email had to be free and compuserve lost out to aol, so too will profiles. we already have this with blogs. my company, tribe.net, will soon be launching
open profiles which will let people compine elements of their blogs with social and community networks. this will occur with virtually every site, where users will decide who has access to what, whether it's by degrees of separation or group affiliation. this wont be decided by my company, friendster, linkedin, yahoo's new thing etc...
what will the peopleweb enable? well, imagine a future where the network acts as one database. you will tell the web that you are single and what your dating criteria is. your dating profile will only be shown to those people (so no more daily humiliation of your sisters and friends snickering that you describe yourself as a tall dark handsome romantic). kinda unhappy with your job. no problem. tell the network you're available for jobs paying over $150k, vp level, and maybe you want to limit to a few companies or block them. wanna organize a poltical revolution without leaving your home? just tell the network you are into 'emergent democracy' and 'legal revolution' (possibly through group tags) and you will automagically be connected with all the other archair revoultionaries.
i find it exciting that google has no inherent advantages in organizing the world's people and groups. google's forte has been normalizing disparate information that didnt necessarily intend to be found. the peopleweb will be much more about people wanting to be found. if people choose to semantically organize, then the act of aggregating them and sorting relevance will be a trivial task, quickly commoditized and performed by any service.
beyond the peopleweb, the network becomes the marketplace...wanna sell your car? just tell the network make, mileage and price. no more worrying about which network and price will work out best. in a world where all information is free, database lockin and its proponents go away. in this world, the ante is aggregation and syndication, winning is about surfacing better relevance. interesting questions to me are what role does ebay, amazon (used merch) and google play. if i can readily find any new or used book from any online bookstore; if i can just as easily get bids on my car with joecars.com as ebay, where is the value? does the traffic value go away? and then what value is left? do the intermediaries and marketplaces get commoditized and wiped out? will this be similar to how ECN's wiped out the huge spreads and profits of wall street market makers? i wonder if one day ebay's value gets disaaggregated into ratings, payment processing and escrow?
what will the roadmap look like? my guesss is that in the next year we'll see the more enlightened big players realize that they are better off aggregating and syndicating than trying to stand alone defending their franchises and competing with the overall network. join it and extend. dont fight it and get left behind. AOL couldnt keep up with the overall network. i dont believe ebay will be able to either. (in fact, ebay announced today that they are launching an int'l competitor to craigslist. i think they will soon learn that the most powerful approach will be to aggregate everyone out there and syndicate back out. we'll see.)
dont ask dont tell stage...today we're at a point where officially the big players say no crawling, but unofficially they let it fly. indeed.com is quietly crawling everyone job service from career builder to craigslist. i hear that lycos has a dating service crawling all. makes sense. if i'm match.com and have the biggest db of single women, i should be in the pimping business. you can find my women everywhere but pay me if you want to meet them.
all for now. love to hear where any of you are seeing the peopleweb and one marketplace happen.
June 29, 2005 in social software | Permalink
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"interesting questions to me are what role does ebay, amazon (used merch) and google play."Where's the value in a butcher shop? they all have the same products, so how do they survive? I know I pass 3 different butchers to get to the one I like, even if I'm not buying their smoked ham or hot links that the other guys' don't carry. We are still creatures of habit and convenience, so the "value-added services" will be the meat & potato of what the services will offer, not the core data. the tools you use will come down to a personal preference, and some people will pay more for their tools than others. Use a chef's knife, a Ginsu, a fancy mandolin slicer or a Quisinart, your food is still going to get chopped up and you'll eat it.
another thought on the value of the peopleweb is that WUM's (Wind-Up Merchant aka joke/spoof identity) will be easily caught out and reduced in value. Without a network wide profile of your life, a newly created WUM won't have the full background to make them seem real. The problems that this brings is that it limits the effect of pseudonym's like Publius or Alan Smithee, so it's not foolproof.
I love the thinking here Marc, it's the kind of stuff that gets me excited in the Network again.
Quote: In the affluent, manic late ‘60s and late ‘90s, we really believed we had the power to reinvent ourselves. New ideas, new freedoms, or new technologies were going to bring forth the new, improved human at last. Then we woke up from that dream on recession’s morning after and found ourselves stuck with the same old, same old: greed, lust, wrath, envy, pride, gluttony and sloth. Almost as fast as Woodstock had turned to Altamont, the Internet turned into a huge hard-core peep show.
from here
http://ambivablog.typepad.com/ambivablog/2005/02/calling_all_spi.html
The problem is that we want to go from 0 to 100 mph in 6 seconds while towing a tank.
For the above hypothesis to come true,one needs to consider the following aspects :
1. Need of Open Standards that will facilitate the movement towards peopleweb. Sites afterall have to exchange information. RSS standard is a classic example for the nascent blogging business
2. Businesses realizing the importance of adding value to the customer by adopting the open standards.(Having API's released to all, etc)
3. Since the information about the people is culled from the network, the authenticity of the info becomes prominent . Who vouches for the authenticity of the info?
4. Considering that commerce is an essential building block of peopleweb, Identity theft needs to be abated for peopleweb to move forward.
All 4 aspects will play a crucial role in deciding whether peopleweb will see the light of the day.
Curious if you think the various social networking companies and portals will deploy peopleweb features around emerging open standards, OR, a new separate company is required that then interfaces with the various social networking companies and portals.
Potentially big difference...
Glad to see you're still espousing this idea, Mark!
I agree with the others that there are execution questions and problems, but the biggest driver of the coming change, IMO, is the value that is being created by all of these profiles on the web. As I go through my existence on the web, there are little bits of me at Tribe, Friendster, Linked In, AOL, BlackPlanet, Shaadi, etc. However, each of these profiles are directed inward toward the community. Even in cases where those profiles can be searched and found, their existence by themsleves is not nearly as valuable as seeing a collection of identities scattered through the web.
The reason that I believe that creating the collection will happen is that there is increasing opportunity for arbitrage here. Any one profile in itself is not so valuable to any specific community. In fact, getting people to view a profile is positive for that community. Having a directory that would help me navigate across communities and tie together the bits of information, therefore, could be seen as generating value for each individual community in the network. Therefore, the price to access profiles should be fairly low.
OTOH, the value in bringing together these profiles - from a user perspective - is significant. The creation of a more complete identity w/ its attendant directory becomes a valuable navigation tool.
The margin between the unlocked value and the price extracted by each individual community is what will fund the effort to integrate all of these communities. It hasn't happened yet because the opportunity in the arbitrage isn't quite there. However, as the value stored away in these profiles increases, it makes this sort of 'PeopleWeb' - IMO - inevitable.
The 'open profiles' concept is extremely exciting: congratulations to you and tribe.net for going down this route.
In a blog posting on 'Digital identity: FOAF vs swarm intelligence' that I made today before I had seen yours, I mentioned an oddity concerning central vs distributed profiles in the case of wikipedia entries, using the nicely-disambiguated entries for 13 different people named 'Michael Jackson' as the example: these entries simultaneously centralize (via common wikipedia URLs) and distribute (via the chaos of swarm intelligence authoring) the ownership of the 'profiles'. Moreover, these profiles represent a peculiar case of un-owned and often un-attributed (provenance-free) personal data, editable by anybody/everybody, yet demonstrably stable, sound, and scaleable!
I'm wondering if you think such a model has any role within what you're trying to achieve with tribe.net?
It seems "open profile" is where the industry needs to go or risk being marginalized by companies like Yahoo. Essentially this is a means for Tribe, Linkedin, et al to very effectively compete. I also think it fits into the the future of identity management in that one "uber" about me, profile can be ported to other communities and the user can determine what information is presented to that community, or what can be syndicated.
My question is what role does identity verification by a trusted 3rd party play in enabling this to happen freely and securely. To be clear I mean identity verification beyond what is possbile/practical at one or maybe two degrees of seperation in a social network.
You are definitely right on with this. It seems "open profile" is where the industry needs to go or risk being marginalized by companies like Yahoo. Essentially this is a means for Tribe, Linkedin, et al to very effectively compete. I also think it fits into the the future of identity management in that one "uber" about me, profile can be ported to other communities and the user can determine what information is presented to that community, or what can be syndicated.
My question is what role does identity verification by a trusted 3rd party play in enabling this to happen freely and securely. To be clear I mean identity verification beyond what is possbile/practical at one or maybe two degrees of seperation in a social network.
LID aka Light-Weight Identity may come handy. It's a P2P way of publishing semantic information about yourself securely by NetMesh. It supports FOAF and any kind of schema.
http://lid.netmesh.org